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communitySam Altman · Paul Graham · Jessica Livingston · Y Combinator · OpenAI

Before OpenAI, Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor, Paul Graham

A Washington Post report reveals that Sam Altman's departure from Y Combinator was not voluntary, shedding new light on the relationship between the OpenAI CEO and his longtime mentor.

A Washington Post report published Wednesday reveals that OpenAI CEO Sam Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor, Paul Graham, years before the founding of OpenAI. The story, which has rocketed to the top of Hacker News with over 1000 points and 700 comments, adds a new chapter to the narrative surrounding Altman’s recent ouster from OpenAI and his potential return.

The headline says Altman was fired from Y Combinator by his mentor, Paul Graham. In the days since Altman’s firing from OpenAI, Graham and YC co-founder Jessica Livingston have publicly voiced support for Altman, with Livingston retweeting that she was a ‘founding donor’ to OpenAI because she ‘believed in Sam.’

On Hacker News, the community is dissecting the implications. Some users see the pattern as evidence of Altman’s skill in navigating corporate politics, while others question the motives of Graham and Livingston, noting Y Combinator’s ongoing financial interest in OpenAI. The thread is filled with speculation, cynical takes, and quotes from Occam’s razor to H.L. Mencken, reflecting the tech world’s fascination with the drama at the highest levels of AI leadership.

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Hacker News user helsinkiandrew

Posted a link to an archive of the Washington Post article

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Hacker News user QuadrupleA

Quoted Paul Graham's tweet saying 'No one in the world is better than Sam at dealing with this kind of situation' and Jessica Livingston's retweet about being a founding donor to OpenAI because she believed in Sam

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Hacker News user LeafItAlone

Suggested that mature adults can think someone is not fit for one job but fit for another

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Hacker News user PeterStuer

Claimed to have met ruthless dark triad people who are successful but should never be worked with

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Hacker News user zoky

Joked about Altman's morality with a reference to Arlo Guthrie's 'Alice's Restaurant'

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Hacker News user Obscurity4340

Asked for elaboration on how dark triad traits play out

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Hacker News user ratg13

Speculated that PG's praise might refer to Altman being good at corporate knife fighting

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Hacker News user cjrp

Wondered if PG meant Altman is good at dealing with being fired

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Hacker News user true_religion

Agreed that Altman is good at handling media frenzy and drama of being fired

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Hacker News user cma

Noted that Y Combinator still has a monetary interest in OpenAI's for-profit corp

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Hacker News user yumraj

Said removing Altman from YC was better for PG and YC, but having him at OpenAI gets better returns

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Hacker News user personjerry

Pointed out that PG and Jessica have vested interest in OpenAI, so they can't say anything negative

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Hacker News user haltist

Said YC policy is to not publicly denounce anyone associated with YC

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Hacker News user notahacker

Countered that endorsing Altman's side is different from not denouncing

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Hacker News user gjvc

Argued the simplest explanation is most likely true

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Hacker News user skygazer

Replied that simplicity is not virtuous if contradicted by reality

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Hacker News user bch

Quoted H.L. Mencken: 'For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong'

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Hacker News user bigiain

Interpreted Jessica's phrase 'founding donor' as trying to imply she isn't protecting an investment

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Hacker News user goodluckchuck

Found PG's compliment unsettling, as it implies Altman excels at conspiracy and backstabbing

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Hacker News user Applejinx

Said the compliment implies Altman is best at unethical, weaponized persuasion

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Hacker News user ChuckMcM

Said at this level everyone hates everyone else, it's all politics

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Hacker News user nabla9

Argued it's counterproductive to take business conflicts personally

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Hacker News user hitekker

Commented that HN audience is inexperienced and runs from conflict

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Hacker News user socketcluster

Talked about alignment of interests and values

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Hacker News user koolba

Compared silent removal to how police departments handle rogue cops

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Hacker News user inglor_cz

Called that an astonishingly bad analogy

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Hacker News user murakamiiq84

Said it depends on whether firing was about being spread thin or ethics

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Hacker News user catlover76

Said different concerns govern police accountability vs. corporations

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Hacker News user cbsmith

Argued corporations can have life-and-death impacts

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Hacker News user serf

Listed various ways corporations destroy lives

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Hacker News user saagarjha

Questioned if the user is familiar with the ACAB movement

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Hacker News user jmye

Defended the comparison and questioned whether layoffs equal being shot

One year later — open only if you can handle spoilers

The Washington Post report added fuel to the ongoing debate about Sam Altman's leadership style and his relationship with Paul Graham. Within a week, Altman was reinstated as CEO of OpenAI, and the episode became a case study in Silicon Valley power dynamics.

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